Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler - Any chance MSP-HNL can be made a legacy route?

Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | Airline Operations | Any chance MSP-HNL can be made a legacy route?

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58 legs, 136.4 hours event

Posted onPost created on March 14 2011 00:18 ET by Kyle Weber

Like the title suggests, and as many of you know, HNL-MSP no longer exists on the DVA/real DAL timetables. Is there any chance that this might be added as a legacy route? This used to be a huge route for NWA having everything from B742s, B744s, DC10s, and A333s on it.

I personally only have flown once on the HNL-MSP portion in real life, just days after the retirement of the DC10 (dang), but love this route in FS. It would be awesome to have this route back.

Thanks.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

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172 legs, 333.7 hours online
1,903 legs, 4,996.5 hours ACARS
81 legs, 148.4 hours event

Posted onPost created on March 14 2011 00:24 ET by Michael Marano

I would like it taken a step further and maybe load some historic NWA routes

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Posted onPost created on March 14 2011 09:38 ET by Jesse Kovacs

I like this idea. NWA is such a big part of what Delta is today, and deserves to be honored. If it wasn't for NWA, we wouldn't have the Airbus programs. I'll create a help desk issue.

Jesse Kovacs

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Posted onPost created on March 14 2011 15:01 ET by Michael Marano

Here is a link to an old timetable from NWA

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HWefOh5ZGv0/TUTbQ7-s29I/AAAAAAAACPw/0W_CdaiLVE8/s1600/scan0060.jpg

Michael Marano (DVA5066)

Posted onPost created on March 14 2011 18:59 ET by Kyle Weber

I think I have the last NWA timetable in PDF around somewhere.

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278 legs, 548.6 hours online
282 legs, 550.1 hours ACARS
3 legs, 5.9 hours event

Posted onPost created on March 14 2011 19:55 ET by Chris James

I generally don't post in the water-cooler but this is something that would be nice. I know we aren't the "Northwest VA," but at one point we were very intertwined with NWA; now that is history so it only makes sense to put it in the historic routes section. I agree that this would be a worth-while thing to bring back to DVA.

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626 legs, 2,413.4 hours ACARS
28 legs, 89.5 hours event

Posted onPost created on March 14 2011 23:06 ET by James Marshall

And routes like LAX/NRT/LAX with a 742!

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821 legs, 2,255.0 hours ACARS
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70 legs dispatched, 109.8 hours

Posted onPost created on March 15 2011 00:18 ET by Nathan Cox

And DTW-TOL in the SF34!

Nathan Cox (DVA9080)

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848 legs, 2,955.2 hours total
331 legs dispatched, 302.2 hours

Posted onPost created on March 17 2011 20:10 ET by Mathias Lund

did anyone do a help disk issue on this matter?

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Posted onPost created on March 17 2011 20:28 ET by Lucas Miller

Yes, Captain, Jesse Kovacs did. Look at the third post in this thread.

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Posted onPost created on March 17 2011 22:32 ET by Kyle Weber

Also looks like COS-MSP is almost extinct...used to be 3x NWA A319s/320s (even the occasional 727 in the day). Then 2x CRJ-900s...now 1x DAL CRJ-200. Sad

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Posted onPost created on March 18 2011 19:21 ET by Kyle Weber

Make that true of COS-MEM also...barely lasted a few months (though I suppose I can see why).

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

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Posted onPost created on March 18 2011 23:13 ET by Joe Coughlin

Wow, I am surprised by the mentioning of several former routes that I used to fly on a regular basis from the NWA schedule that have been taken out. It is disappointing, hopefully we will get them through Legacy routes though!

Joe Coughlin (DVA5973)

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247 legs, 950.1 hours online
257 legs, 960.8 hours ACARS
42 legs, 112.4 hours event

Posted onPost created on March 20 2011 11:04 ET by Kyle Bjorklund

As a side note, if you wanted to expand into historical Northwest routes, and went to the Northwest Orient days, you could also expand into the Boeing 377 Stratocruiser for the old time routes to Tokyo.

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613 legs, 1,689.9 hours online
212 legs, 792.3 hours ACARS
35 legs, 77.7 hours event

Posted onPost created on March 20 2011 12:38 ET by Matt Young

Kyle Bjorklund wrote:

As a side note, if you wanted to expand into historical Northwest routes, and went to the Northwest Orient days, you could also expand into the Boeing 377 Stratocruiser for the old time routes to Tokyo.

I've been looking for a reason to fly that monster.

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91 legs dispatched, 66.4 hours
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Posted onPost created on March 20 2011 12:40 ET by Luke Kolin

It's on my list, I have some historical sources as well as the last schedule feed with NW as a separate airline. It's on the list to get done.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

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125 legs, 192.0 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on March 20 2011 14:59 ET by David Knowles

I personally think we should expand our historical program to not necessarily only in the DVH section. I think we should pull together as many routes as we can find for all of the airlines in the "Delta Family". I also would like to expand the fleet program so it can truly "reflect" the Delta family.

Here are some I'd like to see:

NC:

EAU-MSP, 580
MKE-ORD, 580
MKE-GRR, D9S
GRB-MQT, D9S

SO:

MEM-GWO MARTIN-404/METRO
MEM-MEI MARTIN-404/METRO
MEM-TCL MARTIN-404/DC9

RW:

HOU-PHX 722
HOU-SAT 722
HOU-TUS D9X
SAT-TUS D9X
BFL-LAS D9X

NW:

MEM-PFN SF3 9E/XJ
MEM-GSP SF3/CR2 (this was the inaugural CRJ route) 9E
MSP-MCO D10
MSP-ONT M82
MEM-CHA SF3 9E/XJ
DAY-CMH D9S
IAH-MEM DC9
MSP-IAH 752
DTW-IAH 320

David Knowles (DVA8742)

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14 legs, 23.5 hours online
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6 legs, 12.8 hours event

Posted onPost created on March 20 2011 21:10 ET by Ronald Pearson

More historical routes would be a great. Particularly those flown with the propliners.

Ronald Pearson (DVA8917)

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35 legs, 60.8 hours online
385 legs, 620.1 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on March 20 2011 21:59 ET by Sid Dudley

Found this site that might be of interest:

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/complete.htm

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125 legs, 192.0 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on March 20 2011 22:40 ET by David Knowles

I think I am going to make a list of flights by airline that should be added.

David Knowles (DVA8742)

Posted onPost created on March 22 2011 10:14 ET by Kyle Weber

Luke Kolin wrote:

It's on my list, I have some historical sources as well as the last schedule feed with NW as a separate airline. It's on the list to get done.

Cheers!

Good to hear.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

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125 legs, 192.0 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on March 22 2011 20:58 ET by David Knowles

We may have to add more with the MEM reductions coming soon.

David Knowles (DVA8742)

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Posted onPost created on March 23 2011 00:51 ET by Jon Farabee

NW also used to fly DCA-LAN, they flew that up until 2006 I believe it started off as a DC-9 route then it became an Airlink route after that before it was canned

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Posted onPost created on June 12 2011 12:26 ET by Kyle Weber

Any chance there's an update on this?

(Had the bug to fly MSP-HNL earlier today).

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Posted onPost created on September 10 2011 11:54 ET by Kyle Weber

Polite bump.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

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79 legs, 129.6 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on September 12 2011 23:45 ET by Todd Marks

Kyle Weber wrote:

Also looks like COS-MSP is almost extinct...used to be 3x NWA A319s/320s (even the occasional 727 in the day). Then 2x CRJ-900s...now 1x DAL CRJ-200. Sad :/

I flew that route 11 years ago in a DC-9. Great flight, except the taxi to the gate at COS takes FOREVER!!!

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Posted onPost created on September 18 2011 08:00 ET by Brian Hankey

Sid Dudley wrote:

Found this site that might be of interest:

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/complete.htm

Sid - that's how the entire Historical AF and Historical KLM schedules got created smile

It's a painstaking process smile

Especially when I did the 1932 schedule to Paris to Hong Kong series that used to take 3 weeks to fly.

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Posted onPost created on April 04 2012 21:58 ET by Kyle Weber

Polite bump again.

Now with routes like JMS and DVL cut from MSP; could these old NWA/DAL Saab routes maybe be ported over to historic as well?

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Posted onPost created on April 13 2012 09:33 ET by Kyle Weber

If it helps, here are the times/flight numbers toward the end of the route:

NW809 MSP-HNL, departs 11:40 AM, arrives 3:10 PM, equipment was previously B747-200, DC-10-30, and A330-300 (I believe with the occasional DC-10-40).
NW808 HNL-MSP, departs 6:25 PM, arrives 5:55 AM, equipment also B742/DC10/A333.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Posted onPost created on April 13 2012 11:59 ET by Luke Kolin

Thanks. I've added an issue to track this as well - http://www.deltava.org/issue.do?id=0xf45

Cheers!

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1,033 legs, 2,466.9 hours ACARS
1 legs, 11.8 hours event
136 legs dispatched, 40.7 hours

Posted onPost created on April 13 2012 14:17 ET by Dan Turner

Luke Kolin wrote:

Thanks. I've added an issue to track this as well - http://www.deltava.org/issue.do?id=0xf45

Cheers!

Cant wait for this!

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229 legs, 553.7 hours online
308 legs, 767.2 hours ACARS
27 legs, 52.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on April 13 2012 16:49 ET by Luca Di Biase

Dan Turner wrote:

Luke Kolin wrote:

Thanks. I've added an issue to track this as well - http://www.deltava.org/issue.do?id=0xf45

Cheers!

Cant wait for this!

same here, LOL!

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256 legs, 415.2 hours online
584 legs, 884.3 hours ACARS
16 legs, 32.7 hours event

Posted onPost created on April 15 2012 21:28 ET by Michael Payne

If we're going back to older NWA routes and aircraft, let's not forget the B707-320 flown by Northwest. That would be a sweet sister to the DC-8s. I plan to fly the B707 after I get my DC-8 rating, but the only routes I can log are on AFV.

Michael Payne (DVA9707)

Posted onPost created on April 15 2012 21:58 ET by Kyle Weber

Well, Luke alluded to a one-time upload of the final NWA schedule. I wouldn't hold my breath for the 707 it sounds like.

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246 legs, 564.4 hours online
389 legs, 904.0 hours ACARS
17 legs, 27.3 hours event

Posted onPost created on April 15 2012 23:50 ET by Greg Stark

I think when you search the online schedule on ACARS, it's empty. You just put their whole timetable in there rather than adding it to the historic schedule. Call it NWA's legacy maybe?

Greg Stark (DVA7752)

Posted onPost created on April 16 2012 09:44 ET by Kyle Weber

Indeed it'd be great to be able to "officially" use the NWA callsign again. Especially with some DC-9 flights.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Posted onPost created on May 12 2012 12:56 ET by Kyle Weber

I suppose add PDX-HNL in the NWA/DAL 753 now as well, just realized that route doesn't exist anymore either.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Posted onPost created on May 23 2012 19:15 ET by Kyle Weber

(and now MSP-ASE with the QWSim Avro released wink

)

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32 legs, 89.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on May 24 2012 15:58 ET by Paul Siegrist

I like the idea of adding historic Northwest routes... 747 (100 & 200), 757 (200 & 300), DC-10 (30 & 40), and maybe even the Embarer 175.

Paul Siegrist (DVA8702)

Posted onPost created on May 28 2012 18:25 ET by Kyle Weber

I was lucky enough to catch the very last NWA DC-10 departure when it took off HNL-MSP several years ago, caught a video of it off of 8R too (night and dark but you can certainly hear those awesome engines).

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Posted onPost created on July 07 2012 17:18 ET by Kyle Weber

Any chance there's been any progress on this?

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Posted onPost created on July 07 2012 17:26 ET by Luke Kolin

You have been most patient on this. Let me see if I can get this done over the weekend.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

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104 legs, 165.6 hours event
75 legs dispatched, 191.3 hours

Posted onPost created on July 07 2012 18:28 ET by Jay Marin

Sweeeeet!

Posted onPost created on July 07 2012 18:32 ET by Luke Kolin

My misfortune is your good luck. I was going to do this later this weekend, once I tested my new CPU cooler and my i5-2500K overclocked to 4+ Ghz on a hot summer's evening. I was going to do the redeye from LAX to ATL, and just before TRM on the HOLTZ9 I discovered I forgot to hit "START FLIGHT".

Happens to the best of us.

I'm going to load the NW schedule from 10/15/2009 and see what comes up. I'll post a link to a CSV file once I'm done.

Cheers!

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292 legs, 503.1 hours online
580 legs, 1,026.5 hours ACARS
89 legs, 191.0 hours event
236 legs dispatched, 110.1 hours

Posted onPost created on July 07 2012 19:25 ET by Michael Brown

Luke Kolin wrote:

...my new CPU cooler and my i5-2500K overclocked to 4+ Ghz on a hot summer's evening...

Posted onPost created on July 08 2012 10:59 ET by Luke Kolin

Merry Christmas all.

I took the Northwest schedules of October 15th and October 16th 2009 and loaded them in; I then removed out any legs that had an airport pair covered by the current Delta schedule. I then re-added any legs that I stripped out in the previous step that were necessary to complete a multi-leg flight (NW1 is a good example; leg 1 is covered by Delta's schedule).

Let me know what you think.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

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Posted onPost created on July 08 2012 14:35 ET by Kyle Weber

Luke Kolin wrote:

You have been most patient on this. Let me see if I can get this done over the weekend.

Cheers!

I certainly apologize for all the thread bumps, but thank you sooooo much! It'll be great to fly MSP-HNL and MSP to some of the smaller northern Midwest destinations. Something to look forward to when I get back from this business trip.

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331 legs, 1,160.2 hours online
343 legs, 1,173.5 hours ACARS
2 legs, 12.8 hours event

Posted onPost created on July 08 2012 17:47 ET by Mathias Ratz

Wow, thanks Mr. Kolin very nice to have these NWA Flights on (very much flights, when i take a look at the NWA Shedules) smile

i remember NWA a 757 TATL Flights from DTW to DUS with a 757, is it possible to add this one too - always nice to have some more TATL Flights, i'm having a timetable with the DEP/ARR Times if you are interested to add it smile

Posted onPost created on July 09 2012 09:41 ET by Kyle Weber

(P.S. It'll be great just be using the Northwest callsign too in general again; thank you very much one more time Luke!)

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6,837 legs, 13,577.1 hours online
7,189 legs, 14,846.2 hours ACARS
372 legs, 926.8 hours event

Posted onPost created on July 10 2012 18:39 ET by Scott Simmons

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!!!

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