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Posted onPost created on August 19 2012 11:51 ET by Kyle Weber

Hello all,

Just a quick suggestion for NATs (and other tracks) that change daily. While it's great to see them plotted for the past several days, and very convenient for planning. Is there a way we can program/display the TMI numbers that coincide with the tracks on a selected date? (I know it's easy enough to calculate but it might add to even more convenience....for those of lazy to count wink

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Posted onPost created on August 21 2012 17:07 ET by Bob Klemm

Since there have been no responses to the question, I'd just like to ask, why do we need obsolete tracks, if that's what you're asking?

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Posted onPost created on August 21 2012 22:20 ET by Shane Vanhoven

What exactly are we talking about here? I don't know what NAT tracks and TMI numbers are...

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Posted onPost created on August 21 2012 22:27 ET by Bob Klemm

Shane Vanhoven wrote:

What exactly are we talking about here? I don't know what NAT tracks and TMI numbers are...

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/common/nat.html

From the North Atlantic MSPSA Operations Manual:

2.3.3 The originating OAC identifies each NAT Track Message, within the Remarks section appended to the end of the NAT Track message, by means of a 3-digit Track Message Identification (TMI) number equivalent to the Julian calendar date on which that OTS is effective. For example, the OTS effective on February 1st will be identified by TMI 032. (The Julian calendar date is a simple progression of numbered days without reference to months, with numbering starting from the first day of the year.) If any subsequent NAT Track amendments affecting the entry/exit points, route of flight (co-ordinates) or flight level allocation are made, the whole NAT Track Message will be re-issued. The reason for this amendment will be shown in the Notes and a successive alphabetic character, i.e. ‘A’, then ‘B’, etc., will be added to the end of the TMI number (e.g. TMI 032A).

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Posted onPost created on August 22 2012 12:12 ET by Chris Hannigan

Hi Kyle,

I agree that it would be nice to see them on the plotter, but the TMI's are visible on the Oceanic Tracks page too. Take the one from today for example... 235/236 depending on direction of flight.

http://www.deltava.org/route.do?id=08222012&op=NAT

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Posted onPost created on September 25 2012 12:50 ET by James Webster

Bob Klemm wrote:

Since there have been no responses to the question, I'd just like to ask, why do we need obsolete tracks, if that's what you're asking?

Hi Bob, sometimes I like to fly a DAL flight from a day or two in the past due to say interesting WX conditions on that particular day and given AS2012 etc can retrospectively output WX it would help to have previous TMI for those days as I would have most likely taken note of the date times etc.

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